Curse

I MP I · Jan 22, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

it is bad because, my logical assumption:

1) when you get run, you don't use your character to fight, hence you lack the practice that is needed to get you to where you are. hence you get un-skilled players in the end game area, hence spoiling the PUG experience.

What practice?? Its pve. You C space nearest target and press numbers 1-8 on your keyboard. Only thing that makes a person bad is their build and slow reaction times (polite way of me saying retarded/inability to learn).

Malice Black · Jan 22, 2008, 03:50 AM // 03:50

PuG experience heh

Running helps avoid pugs..this is a good thing.

Vargs · Jan 22, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

I don't mind runners. Drok runs and consulate dock ferries are useful. Not so keen on mission runners, but I just don't use them.

Grasping Darkness · Jan 22, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40

almost 3 years of gw and from time to time i like to make new toons. i love runners because i dont feel like doing some of the low reward missions that bore me to death and also dont feel like running myself from my laptop on another account. runners are awesome

pumpkin pie · Jan 22, 2008, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by I MP I

What practice?? Its pve. You C space nearest target and press numbers 1-8 on your keyboard. Only thing that makes a person bad is their build and slow reaction times (polite way of me saying retarded/inability to learn).

try the back slash key, its much faster.

and you think, of all the Massive Player Base, 100% of them will be able to catch up if they don't at least try to play the game or use at least 8 skills per profession to perfection?

genofreek · Jan 22, 2008, 06:26 AM // 06:26

I don't care much for people who get the game, make a character, join a guild, and immediately start asking to be railroaded through everything. People should play through the game at least once as the developers intended, pay attention to the damn tutorials, and don't just get run straight to later areas to beg for leet armurz and phat lewts. :P I'm pretty sure crap like this is where most meteor shower monks and Glimmer Of Light wammos come from.

Once you've done it for yourself, however, the experience doesn't change a whole lot from character to character, so runners aren't a big deal to me. They want money for helping lower-level characters? Fine by me, and at times runners have taught me much more efficient or easy ways to complete missions with masters/bonus. Plus, whenever I get Time Is Nigh, I ferry to the docks. :P I've been on Drok runs too. I'd be a hypocrite to complain.

Davros Uitar · Jan 22, 2008, 08:30 AM // 08:30

I remember the first time I decided to pay for a Droks run. The guy told us we could stand about or we could go die and watch him do the run. First time I ever knew you could watch the other guys when you died. I thought it was fantastic just watching the 2 runners at their craft. In those early days of my playing, the runners seemed to be the gods of the game. Watching that first run ranks as some of the most exciting 45 minutes I remember in the game. I had to go tell my guildies the next day and paid again just to do it over

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strcpy · Jan 22, 2008, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by Davros Uitar

I had to go tell my guildies the next day and paid again just to do it over

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The last few droks run I got were from a group called the "Running Rangers" - they had a duo ranger run. The cost was slightly above "normal" though you got the general benefits of an established group (that is, you weren't going to get scammed).

They did something similar and if they noticed you had died the two had a fairly decent routine in running that was mostly for show. It was quite funny and entertaining, in fact IIRC I tipped them nicely (well, at least for my current funds - I don't know that they felt it so or not) for it.

I don't know if they are still around or if they are if they still do such things - I haven't needed a run since shortly after the release of Factions.

Pleikki · Jan 22, 2008, 12:37 PM // 12:37

mm I dont mind ppl running i run guildies/mates sometimes myself i think its fine if someone rly wants so place but i like do it free i dunno why ppl wanna charge for it.

truemyths · Jan 22, 2008, 02:50 PM // 14:50

The runs are great.

Squishy ftw · Jan 22, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

I don't care much for runners.

However, something I really can't stand is when someone insists on running someone that just started playing guildwars.

TheRaven · Jan 22, 2008, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

I think it's stupid to pay someone to play the game for you. Never paid for a run.

That pretty much sums up my opinion. I used to really hate runners. I thought people using runners were just cheaters that didn't have the skill or talent to get thru the game on their own so they paid a runner to do it for them.

I've changed my mind as I've played more. I can see the value of a town runner for your 4th or 5th character that you just want to get to Droks in order to buy a certain armor set or cap a skill. I still think mission runners are for the rich or lazy person that just can't manage to win on their own. Please don't brag about your Legendary Guardian title if you just had a runner complete all of the harder missions for you.

Personally, I've never paid for a run and I never will. I prefer to get someplace under my own steam and if I can't, then I'll level up until i can.

SpeedyKQ · Jan 22, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

I used to absolutely hate running. When I was on my first time through the game, and I was struggling to beat certain areas, it made me so angry that people were paying money to "cheat" and skip the hard stuff. I took so much pride in finally getting to Drok's by playing through the game, without paying anyone to do anything for me. I was absolutely baffled that the game designers would put the Drok's run route in and let people "cheat" like that.

Well, that was my newbie mindset.

Now, I don't really care. I think new players can ruin their experience by being run too much. But for one thing, that is their choice and none of my business, and for another, most players being run aren't newbies anyways.

Jetdoc · Jan 22, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19

I won't ever use a runner, but the fact that they exist for people that don't have the patience to fight their way through areas is a valuable added dimension to this game. The fact that runners are severely limited in Factions and for the most part Nightfall was a downside to those campaigns, IMO.

Crom The Pale · Jan 22, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Runners do have thier uses, however they also do a great deal of damage to new players.

Its one thing for somebody working on thier 4th+ char to get a run for max armor or to unlock a hero, but for somebody working on thier very first char it really takes a huge chunk of the game and destroys it for them forever.

Exporing the world, finding cities and learning how to defeat the foes along the way is an integral part of this game, without it you might as well just make a PvP char and skip the entire PvE experiance.

Kos Luftar · Jan 22, 2008, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Runners are the most talented PVE players in the game, they have revolutionized Guild Wars.

Kattar · Jan 22, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Meh, I use them when I don't want to do something AGAIN for the HUNDREDTH time. CoF runs are good too.

Some love them, some hate them. I don't mind them so much.

Also /agree with Malice. Lmao

zling · Jan 22, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

there are different types of runners, each with its role and purpose:

GvG runner- not what the op meant but still a runner. a neccessity in every
GvG match, no problem with this type of runner...

Chest runner- also probably not what the op meant but still a runner. now with hm and lockpicks you can actually make some nice money with chest running. and if you want wisdom and treasure hunter titles this is the best way to get there. again no problem with this type of runner...

Mission runners- now we're getting warmer to what the op really meant. some missions like Ruins of Morah can be hard and very frustrating for N00B PuGs. others like the Desert missions are just annoying to do for the 5th or 6th time... this runner is fine for people who've completed the game several times and cant be bothered completing early missions over and over again or people who get stuck on some mission such as Ruins of Morah and cant wait to get to the realm of torment already. however in other situations I have a problem with this type of runner...

Outpost Runner- your typical runner, what the op meant by asking about runners. some areas like LA->SC or BP->Droks or Droks->Shiverpeak Tour or even Amnoon Oasis->Desert Tour are fine if you've completed prophecies already and cant be bothered with that long and tedious campaign. other places, especially in cantha and elona are usually rip offs and scams, like running from Marketplace->KC which is just pure scam or Sunspear Sanctuary->Gates of Desolation mission without doing all the quests leading to it. you cant do the mission and are just stuck there... I have a problem with all the scammers who offer various runs for N00Bs just to take their money, however I dont have a problem with respectable runners doing respectable runs.

Tender Wolf · Jan 22, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I know what you mean zling. I see people spamming they're running to KC from marketplace and Gate of Desolation from Sunspear Sanctuary all the time and I'm thinking...those are easy to get to. I guess I forgot to mention the mission runners but it was in my mind. lol

I remember my first Drok's run, that was when it cost 10k. Glad the price has come down but I haven't been ran there in a long time. I do agree with the people that say you should beat each campaign at least once before getting ran anywhere in it. Sure sometimes missions in a campaign you haven't beaten are stubborn and annoying, so sometimes you may cave and get a run there. But you're still technically beating the campaign.

And Drok's is a shortcut to later missions but if you're only going for the armor, that's okay too. Unless you only want max armor and don't care what it looks like, you could get it from Cantha or Elona.

tmr819 · Jan 22, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

My first thought whenever I hear a "runner" announcement in chat is always the same: "where's the fun in that?" Sheesh, why not pay someone to just play your character while you go watch TV or something.

It just seems nonsensical to me. The only case where I can see using a runner is for a mission or quest you simply could not beat on your own and could not find a group for. But that situation ... has never happened to me.

I guess I don't care one way or the other about runners, and some of them are very good at what they do, I know, but using one, to me anyway, seems like admitting the game in some respect has defeated you.